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NBC: Possible Russian CIA Spy In US Under Government Protection | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC


>>>WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS FOR>>>WE HAVE BREAKING NEWS FOR YOU. YOU. THIS CAME OUT IN THE PAST COUPLE THIS CAME OUT IN THE PAST COUPLE MINUTES. MINUTES. BIG PICTURE AS I MENTIONED AT BIG PICTURE AS I MENTIONED AT THE TOP OF THE SHOW, CNN WAS THE TOP OF THE SHOW, CNN WAS FIRST TO BREAK THIS REMARKABLE FIRST TO BREAK THIS REMARKABLE STORY TODAY THAT THEY U.S. STORY TODAY THAT THEY U.S. GOVERNMENT HAD GONE IN 2017 AND GOVERNMENT HAD GONE IN 2017 AND EX-FILL TRADED A HIGH-LEVEL SPY EX-FILL TRADED A HIGH-LEVEL SPY FROM INSIDE RUSSIA. FROM INSIDE RUSSIA. A COVERT OPERATIVE WHO WAS A COVERT OPERATIVE WHO WAS OPERATING WITHIN THE RUSSIAN OPERATING WITHIN THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT BUT REPORTING TO U.S. GOVERNMENT BUT REPORTING TO U.S. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. IT WAS BASICALLY AN EXCELLENT IT WAS BASICALLY AN EXCELLENT INTELLIGENCE ASSET FOR THE U.S. INTELLIGENCE ASSET FOR THE U.S. INSIDE THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. INSIDE THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT. CNN REPORTING THAT THIS COVERT CNN REPORTING THAT THIS COVERT OPERATIVE HAD ACCESS TO VLADIMIR OPERATIVE HAD ACCESS TO VLADIMIR PUTIN, AND THAT PART OF THE PUTIN, AND THAT PART OF THE REASON FOR THE EXTRACTION WAS REASON FOR THE EXTRACTION WAS CONCERN IN THE INTELLIGENCE CONCERN IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP COMMUNITY THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS REPEATEDLY MISHANDLING WAS REPEATEDLY MISHANDLING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, INCLUDING DURING A MEETING WITH INCLUDING DURING A MEETING WITH HIGH-LEVEL RUSSIAN OFFICIALS IN HIGH-LEVEL RUSSIAN OFFICIALS IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN MAY OF THAT THE OVAL OFFICE IN MAY OF THAT YEAR. YEAR. THE EX-FILTRATION REPORTEDLY THE EX-FILTRATION REPORTEDLY HAPPENED THEREAFTER AS AN EFFORT HAPPENED THEREAFTER AS AN EFFORT TO SAVE THE SOURCE, TO KEEP THAT TO SAVE THE SOURCE, TO KEEP THAT SOURCE ALIVE IN CASE IT WAS — SOURCE ALIVE IN CASE IT WAS — THE SOURCE WAS BURNED BY THE THE SOURCE WAS BURNED BY THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AS I MENTIONED, “THE NEW YORK AS I MENTIONED, “THE NEW YORK TIMES” AND NBC NEWS HAVE TIMES” AND NBC NEWS HAVE CONFIRMED THE CORE OF THIS CONFIRMED THE CORE OF THIS STORY, BUT NBC HAS ADDED A STORY, BUT NBC HAS ADDED A REMARKABLE BIT OF REPORTING. REMARKABLE BIT OF REPORTING. I’LL TELL YOU THEIR HEADLINE I’LL TELL YOU THEIR HEADLINE HERE. HERE. POSSIBLE RUSSIAN SPY FOR CIA, POSSIBLE RUSSIAN SPY FOR CIA, NOW LIVING IN WASHINGTON AREA. NOW LIVING IN WASHINGTON AREA. QUOTE, A FORMER SENIOR RUSSIAN QUOTE, A FORMER SENIOR RUSSIAN OFFICIAL IS LIVING UNDER U.S. OFFICIAL IS LIVING UNDER U.S. GOVERNMENT PROTECTION. GOVERNMENT PROTECTION. SNBSZ SNBSZ NBC NEWS IS WITHHOLDING THE NBC NEWS IS WITHHOLDING THE MAN’S NAME, YET THE FORMER MAN’S NAME, YET THE FORMER OFFICIAL WHO HAD A JOB WITH OFFICIAL WHO HAD A JOB WITH ACCESS TO SECRETS WAS LIVING ACCESS TO SECRETS WAS LIVING OPENLY UNDER HIS CREW, TRUE OPENLY UNDER HIS CREW, TRUE NAME. NAME. A CORRESPONDENT RANG HIS A CORRESPONDENT RANG HIS DOORBELL. DOORBELL. FIVE MINUTES LATER A CAR PARKED FIVE MINUTES LATER A CAR PARKED NEXT TO THE CORRESPONDENT’S CAR. NEXT TO THE CORRESPONDENT’S CAR. THE MEN WHO IDENTIFIED THE MEN WHO IDENTIFIED THEMSELVES AS ONLY FRIENDS OF THEMSELVES AS ONLY FRIENDS OF THE RUSSIAN ASKED WHAT HE WAS THE RUSSIAN ASKED WHAT HE WAS DOING THERE. DOING THERE. NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT NBC NEWS HAS NOT CONFIRMED THAT THE RUSSIAN LIVING IN VIRGINIA THE RUSSIAN LIVING IN VIRGINIA FED THE CIA INFORMATION ABOUT FED THE CIA INFORMATION ABOUT RUSSIAN ELECTION INTERFERENCE, RUSSIAN ELECTION INTERFERENCE, BUT HE FITS THE PROFILE OF BUT HE FITS THE PROFILE OF SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMEONE WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN RECRUITABLE BY AMERICAN RECRUITABLE BY AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS. INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS. THE RUSSIAN WILL LIKELY BE MOVED THE RUSSIAN WILL LIKELY BE MOVED FROM THE PLACE HE IS CURRENTLY FROM THE PLACE HE IS CURRENTLY LIVING IN THE INTEREST OF LIVING IN THE INTEREST OF KEEPING HIM SAFE SAY CURRENT AND KEEPING HIM SAFE SAY CURRENT AND FORMER OFFICIALS. FORMER OFFICIALS. JOINING US KEN DILANIAN. JOINING US KEN DILANIAN. KEN, THANKS FOR JOINING US ON KEN, THANKS FOR JOINING US ON VERY, VERY SHORT NOICHLT VERY, VERY SHORT NOICHLT APPRECIATE YOU MAKING TIME. APPRECIATE YOU MAKING TIME.>>YOU BET, RACHEL, THANKS.>>YOU BET, RACHEL, THANKS.>>IS THE CORRESPONDENT IN THIS>>IS THE CORRESPONDENT IN THIS STORY YOU? STORY YOU?>>IT IS, RACHEL, IT IS.>>IT IS, RACHEL, IT IS. IT’S ME. IT’S ME.>>SO THIS IS A FORMER RUSSIAN>>SO THIS IS A FORMER RUSSIAN OFFICIAL LIVING IN VIRGINIA. OFFICIAL LIVING IN VIRGINIA. YOU FIGURED OUT WHO HE IS. YOU FIGURED OUT WHO HE IS. BASICALLY YOU’RE ABLE TO BASICALLY YOU’RE ABLE TO DESCRIBE HIM AS SOMEBODY WHO DESCRIBE HIM AS SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN POSITION IN MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN POSITION IN THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO PROVIDE THE CIA THE KIND OF PROVIDE THE CIA THE KIND OF INFORMATION THAT’S BEING INFORMATION THAT’S BEING REPORTED HERE, EVEN THOUGH YOU REPORTED HERE, EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN’T DIRECTLY VERIFY THAT HE CAN’T DIRECTLY VERIFY THAT HE WAS THE CONDUIT? WAS THE CONDUIT?>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. IT’S A BIT FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I IT’S A BIT FRUSTRATING BECAUSE I CAN’T EVEN EXPLAIN WHY WE CAN’T EVEN EXPLAIN WHY WE STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PERSON STARTED LOOKING AT THIS PERSON IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE IN THE FIRST PLACE BECAUSE OFFICIALS ARE TELLING US THOSE OFFICIALS ARE TELLING US THOSE DETAILS WOULD QUICKLY LEAD TO DETAILS WOULD QUICKLY LEAD TO HIS EXPOSURE. HIS EXPOSURE. BUT THIS WAS A FORMER SENIOR BUT THIS WAS A FORMER SENIOR RUSSIAN OFFICIAL WHO HAD ACCESS RUSSIAN OFFICIAL WHO HAD ACCESS TO VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO WAS TO VLADIMIR PUTIN WHO WAS WORKING FOR THE RUSSIAN WORKING FOR THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT AND WHO, AS OF GOVERNMENT AND WHO, AS OF YESTERDAY WAS LIVING IN A HOUSE YESTERDAY WAS LIVING IN A HOUSE IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C., IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C., SUBURBS. SUBURBS. I WENT TO THAT HOUSE, I KNOCKED I WENT TO THAT HOUSE, I KNOCKED ON THE DOOR. ON THE DOOR. HE WASN’T HOME, BUT AS YOU READ HE WASN’T HOME, BUT AS YOU READ THERE, FIVE MINUTES LATER I WAS THERE, FIVE MINUTES LATER I WAS SORT OF ACCOSTED BY A COUPLE SORT OF ACCOSTED BY A COUPLE PEOPLE THAT APPEARED TO BE PEOPLE THAT APPEARED TO BE AGENTS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENTS OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT CAREFULLY MONITORING THAT HOUSE. CAREFULLY MONITORING THAT HOUSE. AND, OF COURSE, WE’VE NOW BEEN AND, OF COURSE, WE’VE NOW BEEN ASKED BY U.S. OFFICIALS TO ASKED BY U.S. OFFICIALS TO WITHHOLD A LOT OF THE DETAILS, WITHHOLD A LOT OF THE DETAILS, INCLUDING THE NAME OF THIS INCLUDING THE NAME OF THIS PERSON. PERSON. WE CAN’T REPORT TO OUR STANDARD WE CAN’T REPORT TO OUR STANDARD THAT THIS IS THE SAME CIA ASSET THAT THIS IS THE SAME CIA ASSET THAT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” AND THAT “THE NEW YORK TIMES” AND CNN ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WHEN CNN ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT WHEN YOU USE A BIT OF LOGIC, THERE YOU USE A BIT OF LOGIC, THERE AREN’T MANY OFFICIALS THE CIA AS AREN’T MANY OFFICIALS THE CIA AS CULTIVATED AS SOURCES. CULTIVATED AS SOURCES. IN FACT, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN IN FACT, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN ONLY ONE DURING THIS PERIOD. ONLY ONE DURING THIS PERIOD. SO WE CAN ALL USE OUR OWN SO WE CAN ALL USE OUR OWN JUDGMENT ABOUT THAT. JUDGMENT ABOUT THAT. BUT WHAT’S CLEAR AND SURPRISING, BUT WHAT’S CLEAR AND SURPRISING, ACTUALLY, IS THAT THIS MAN IS ACTUALLY, IS THAT THIS MAN IS LIVING IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C., LIVING IN THE WASHINGTON, D.C., AREA IN THE OPEN IN HIS TRUE AREA IN THE OPEN IN HIS TRUE NAME. NAME.>>I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT THE>>I MEAN, YOU TALK ABOUT THE DRAMA OF YOU KNOCKING ON HIS DRAMA OF YOU KNOCKING ON HIS DOOR, HE’S NOT THERE, YOU GET DOOR, HE’S NOT THERE, YOU GET BACK IN YOUR VEHICLE AND THEN BACK IN YOUR VEHICLE AND THEN THESE YOUNG MEN WHO YOU BELIEVE THESE YOUNG MEN WHO YOU BELIEVE MAY HAVE BEEN U.S. GOVERNMENT MAY HAVE BEEN U.S. GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM EMPLOYEES KEEPING AN EYE ON HIM PULL UP RIGHT NEXT TO TO YOU PULL UP RIGHT NEXT TO TO YOU START ASKING YOU WHAT YOU’RE START ASKING YOU WHAT YOU’RE DOING. DOING. AND IT’S CLEAR THEY WERE JOHNNY AND IT’S CLEAR THEY WERE JOHNNY ON THE SPOT IN TERMS OF WATCHING ON THE SPOT IN TERMS OF WATCHING HIS HOUSE, BUT YOU DID MAKE IT HIS HOUSE, BUT YOU DID MAKE IT UP TO THE DOOR. UP TO THE DOOR. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HAPPENED TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PERCEIVED BY THE RUSSIAN PERCEIVED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT TO BE TRAITORS, GOVERNMENT TO BE TRAITORS, PEOPLE WHO ARE PERCEIVED TO BE PEOPLE WHO ARE PERCEIVED TO BE SPIES, YOU LOOK AT THE SPIES, YOU LOOK AT THE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS WE’VE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS WE’VE SEEN AROUND THE GLOBE, THE FACT SEEN AROUND THE GLOBE, THE FACT THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET UP TO THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO GET UP TO THE DOOR SUGGESTS THEY’RE NOT THE DOOR SUGGESTS THEY’RE NOT WATCHING HIM ALL THAT CLOSE. WATCHING HIM ALL THAT CLOSE.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. WHEN I ASKED BOTH U.S. WHEN I ASKED BOTH U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND FORMER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS AND FORMER OFFICIALS WHO WORKED ON THESE OFFICIALS WHO WORKED ON THESE PROBLEMS ABOUT THAT WHAT WORKS PROBLEMS ABOUT THAT WHAT WORKS THEY SAY IS, LOOK, IT’S PROBABLY THEY SAY IS, LOOK, IT’S PROBABLY NOT A SECRET TO THE RUSSIANS NOT A SECRET TO THE RUSSIANS THAT THIS PERSON IS HERE. THAT THIS PERSON IS HERE. WHEN HE LEFT RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, WHEN HE LEFT RUSSIA, YOU KNOW, IT BECAME CLEAR TO THEM THAT HE IT BECAME CLEAR TO THEM THAT HE HAD BEEN WORKING FOR THE U.S. HAD BEEN WORKING FOR THE U.S. BUT WHAT THEY DON’T WANT AND BUT WHAT THEY DON’T WANT AND WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN WHAT THEY THINK HAPPENED IN SKRIPAL IS TO TAUNT PUTIN WITH SKRIPAL IS TO TAUNT PUTIN WITH THE IDEA THAT HERE’S THIS THE IDEA THAT HERE’S THIS TURNCOAT, HERE’S THIS FORMER TURNCOAT, HERE’S THIS FORMER RUSSIAN OFFICIAL WHO SPIED FOR RUSSIAN OFFICIAL WHO SPIED FOR THE CIA LIVING IN THE UNITED THE CIA LIVING IN THE UNITED STATES. STATES. SO THEY SORT OF FEEL THERE’S A SO THEY SORT OF FEEL THERE’S A MEASURE OF SAFETY. MEASURE OF SAFETY. THEY DON’T EXPECT THE RUSSIANS THEY DON’T EXPECT THE RUSSIANS TO COME OVER AND ASSASSINATE HIM TO COME OVER AND ASSASSINATE HIM UNTIL UNFORTUNATELY HE’S UNTIL UNFORTUNATELY HE’S DISCOVERED BY THE MEDIA IN THE DISCOVERED BY THE MEDIA IN THE WORLD AND WE START WRITING ABOUT WORLD AND WE START WRITING ABOUT HIM. HIM. THAT ESSENTIALLY POKES THE BEAR. THAT ESSENTIALLY POKES THE BEAR. THAT’S WHY THEY’RE NOW MORE THAT’S WHY THEY’RE NOW MORE WORRIED ABOUT HIS SAFETY THAN WORRIED ABOUT HIS SAFETY THAN THEY WERE 48 HOURS AGO, RACHEL. THEY WERE 48 HOURS AGO, RACHEL.>>AND THAT REPORTING,>>AND THAT REPORTING, OBVIOUSLY, YOU’RE ABLE TO OBVIOUSLY, YOU’RE ABLE TO DESCRIBE HIM LIVING IN VIRGINIA DESCRIBE HIM LIVING IN VIRGINIA UNDER HIS REAL NAME AND ALL UNDER HIS REAL NAME AND ALL THESE OTHER DETAILS. THESE OTHER DETAILS. BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT POKING THE BUT ESSENTIALLY THAT POKING THE BEAR STARTED WITH CNN AND NBC BEAR STARTED WITH CNN AND NBC REPORTING OUT HIS EXISTENCE, THE REPORTING OUT HIS EXISTENCE, THE EX-FILTRATION. EX-FILTRATION. AS THE MEDIA WAS GOING TO FIGURE AS THE MEDIA WAS GOING TO FIGURE HIM OUT AND IT WAS GOING TO HIM OUT AND IT WAS GOING TO BECOME A STORY, THING WERE GOING BECOME A STORY, THING WERE GOING TO GET DANGEROUS FOR HIM. TO GET DANGEROUS FOR HIM.>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>THAT’S RIGHT. AND I FEAR EVEN THOUGH WE ARE AND I FEAR EVEN THOUGH WE ARE WITHHOLDING DETAILS AND ACCEDING WITHHOLDING DETAILS AND ACCEDING TO THE WISHES OF U.S. OFFICIALS TO THE WISHES OF U.S. OFFICIALS WHO SAY THEY BELIEVE HIS LIFE WHO SAY THEY BELIEVE HIS LIFE COULD BE AT RISK, IT ISN’T THAT COULD BE AT RISK, IT ISN’T THAT HARD TO FIND HIM AND OTHERS ARE HARD TO FIND HIM AND OTHERS ARE GOING TO WORK TO DO THAT. GOING TO WORK TO DO THAT. IN THE CLIMATE WE LIVE IN IN THE CLIMATE WE LIVE IN EVENTUALLY IT WILL COME OUT. EVENTUALLY IT WILL COME OUT. BUT THERE’S NOW TIME FOR THE BUT THERE’S NOW TIME FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT TO MOVE HIM AND U.S. GOVERNMENT TO MOVE HIM AND HIS FAMILY TO A IS DIFFERENT HIS FAMILY TO A IS DIFFERENT LOCATION. LOCATION.>>KEN DILANIAN, NBC NEWS>>KEN DILANIAN, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT AND INTREPID CORRESPONDENT AND INTREPID KNOCKER-ON OF DOORS. KNOCKER-ON OF DOORS. THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT THANKS FOR JOINING US ON SHORT NOTICE. NOTICE.>>>THE VICE CHAIR OF THE>>>THE VICE CHAIR OF THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL BE WITH JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL BE WITH US TONIGHT. US TONIGHT. INTERESTING NEWS ON A STORY INTERESTING NEWS ON A STORY WE’VE BEEN COVERING ON AND OFF WE’VE BEEN COVERING ON AND OFF FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS NOW THAT