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Can South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg break out of a crowded field of Democratic presidential hopefuls


♪ ♪>>Chris: WE ARE NOW LESS THAN A YEAR AWAY FROM THE IOWA CAUCUSES IN THE FIELD OF DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES LOOKING TO MAKE DONALD TRUMP A ONE TERM PRESIDENT IS TAKING SHAPE. WE HOPE TO TALK WITH THEM AT LENGTH SO YOU GET A BETTER SENSE OF WHO THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY WOULD TAKE THE COUNTRY. JOINING US NOW FOR OUR FIRST “FOX NEWS SUNDAY” SITDOWN, SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE P SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE T SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE E SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE B SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE T SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE I SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE G SOUTH BEND MAYOR PEOPLE . WELCOME TO FOX SUNDAY. TODAY KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND OFFICIALLY ENTER THE RACE, MORE THAN A DOZEN CANDIDATES OFFICIALLY IN THE RACE, THE ONLY ONE WHO STILL HAS AN EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE. WHAT ARE YOU EXPLORING AND WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DECIDE WHEN TO GET A?>>Pete: WOULD PUT TOGETHER THE COMMITTEE AND ROLLED IT OUT IN JANUARY TO SEE WHAT THE RESPONSE WOULD BE TO THE IDEA OF A MIDWESTERN MILLENNIAL MAYOR ENTERING THE CONVERSATION FOR PRESIDENT, WOULD ANYBODY TAKE NOTE? HOW WOULD THE FUND-RAISING GO? WITH THERE BE A LEVEL OF INTEREST IN THE EARLY STATES? NOW WE ARE SEEING ALL OF THOSE THINGS BUT BECAUSE I’M NOT HIGHLY FAMOUS AND NOT PERSONALLY WEALTHY IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT TO GET THE ORGANIZATION IN PLACE FOR A LAUNCH. YOU ONLY GET TO LAUNCH ONE’S AND ABOUT TO TELL YOU, I’M NOT GOING TO MAKE ANY NEWS THIS MORNING, BUT ALL OF THE SIGNS ARE POINTING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION AND WHEN WE DO COME OUT IT’S GOING TO BE A BIG ONE.>>Chris: PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS HUGE SPRAWLING FIELD. YOUNG VERSUS OLD, FURTHER LEFT VERSUS MORE MODERATE, WHICH APPLY?>>Pete: I THINK EVERYBODY WANTS TO FIT YOU WANT AN IDEOLOGICAL SPECTRUM, WHICH I THINK HAS NEVER BEEN LESS RELEVANT. I THINK MORE AND MORE PEOPLE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR IDEAS ARE AND WHETHER THEY MAKE ANY SENSE. AND PART OF HOW WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCEED IN SOUTH BEND, GOVERNING, I BELIEVE IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROGRESSIVE VALUES BUT ALSO EARNING A LOT OF SUPPORT FROM REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENT PARLORS. IT WAS BY TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. I VIEW MYSELF AS A PROGRESSIVE BUT THESE LABELS ARE BECOMING LESS AND LESS USEFUL.>>Chris: WILL GET INTO SPECIFIC ISSUES IN A MOMENT. ONE MORE SORT OF POLITICAL QUESTION. ONE OF THE WAYS IN WHICH YOU STAND OUT IS THAT YOUR 37 AND IF ELECTED HE WOULD BE THE YOUNGEST PRESIDENT EVER. TO SOME DEGREE, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOU AS THE BRIGHT, SHINY THING IN THE FIELD. THE QUESTION IS, NOW THAT BETO O’ROURKE IS IN IT, SOME PEOPLE IN THE GRASS ROOTS SAY HE’S BRIGHTER SHINIER THING. HOW DO YOU COMBAT HIM AND LIKE HIM, WERE YOU BORN TO BE IN THIS RACE?>>I THINK I WAS BORN TO MAKE MYSELF USEFUL. I’M NOT COMBATING ANYBODY. IF THERE ARE GOING TO BE COMPETITORS MORE THAN OPPONENTS I THINK AMONG THE DEMOCRATS AND THAT’S A GOOD THING. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT I’M NOT LIKE THE OTHERS. I BELONG TO A DIFFERENT GENERATIONS THAN MOST OF THE OTHERS. MINE WAS THE GENERATION THAT WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL WHEN SCHOOL SHOOTINGS STARTED TO BE THE NORM WITH A GENERATION THAT’S GOING TO BE ON THE BUSINESS END OF THE CONSEQUENCES OF CLIMATE CHANGE. WE’RE ALSO THE GENERATION THAT’S ON TRACK TO BE THE FIRST IN AMERICAN HISTORY TO MAKE LESS THAN OUR PARENTS IF NOTHING IS DONE TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF OUR ECONOMY. I THINK HAVING A VOICE FROM THAT GENERATION, HAVING A VOICE WITH EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP. AND I’VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I KNOW ON THE YOUNG FACE IN THIS CONVERSATION BUT NOT ONLY TO HAVE MORE YEARS OF GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE UNDER MY BELT OF THE PRESIDENT, BUT I’VE GOT MORE YEARS OF EXECUTIVE GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE UNDER MY BELT AND THE VICE PRESIDENT. I THINK THAT’S RELEVANT AND I THINK COMING FROM THE INDUSTRIAL MIDWEST, A PLACE WHERE, UNFORTUNATELY, MY PARTY REALLY LOST TOUCH WITH A LOT OF VOTERS, ESPECIALLY IN 2016. IT’S A COMBINATION OF ATTRIBUTES, NOT TO MENTION THE MILITARY SERVICE THAT I BRING TO THE TABLE, THAT IS SIMPLY DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS AND LOOKING FORWARD TO COMPETING.>>Chris: LET’S DO A LIGHTNING ROUND, QUICK LET GO MY QUESTIONS, QUICK ANSWERS. TO THE DEGREE THAT YOU THINK YOU HAVE ONE, WHAT’S YOUR BIG IDEA? WHAT YOUR CORE MESSAGE?>>Chris: A SLIGHTLY WORK BECAUSE YOU GOT TO BE QUICK.>>Pete: I THINK GENERATIONAL CHANGE, LIBERTY, DEMOCRACY AND SECURITY. WHEN YOU UNPACK EACH OF THOSE IDEAS THEY POINT OUT A SPECIFIC DIRECTION WITH THE POLICY BEHIND IT, MAYBE THE REST OF THE LIGHT AND MARBLE HELP US GET THERE.>>Chris: WE ARE. LET’S TURN TO WHAT SOME OF THE OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT’S ON THE IDEOLOGICAL AGENDA RIGHT NOW. A LOT OF DEMOCRATS PUSHING THE GREEN NEW DEAL. YOU HAVE SAID THAT IT’S MORE OF A GOAL THAN A PLAN. EXPLAIN.>>COME ASKED ME TO IF HANDFUL OF PAGES LAYING NOTABLE FOR US TO CUT CARBON EMISSIONS FOR THEIR LEAD TO CHANGES THAT REALLY DESTROY OUR ECONOMY AND ANY PROSPECT FOR PEOPLE IN MY GENERATION TO DO WELL. I’M THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN 2054 WHEN I GET TO THE CURRENT AGE OF THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND IF WE DON’T ACT AGGRESSIVELY AND IMMEDIATELY ON CLIMATE, IT’S NOT GOING TO BE A PRETTY PICTURE.>>Chris: ARE YOU SAYING FOR INSTANCE THAT SOME OF THE TALK ABOUT RETROFITTING EVERY BUILDING IN AMERICA, OR TRYING TO MAKE THE COUNTRY CARBON FREE BY 2030, THAT THAT’S JUST UNREALISTIC?>>Pete: WERE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT. IF WE CAN TO CARBON FREE THAN WE WILL DO NOT CARBON FREE WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE TAKING OUT AS MUCH AS WE ARE PUTTING IN. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, SCIENTIFICALLY THE RIGHT YEAR TO DO THAT WAS YESTERDAY. WE HAVE GOT TO DO THIS. IF THIS TIMETABLE ISN’T BEING SET IN CONGRESS. IT’S BEING SET BY REALITY. IT’S BEING SET BY SCIENCE AND IT’S GOING TO HIT THOSE DEADLINES IN OUR CLIMATE WITH OR WITHOUT US SO WE HAVE TO ASK. WITH THE GREEN NEW DEAL GETS RIGHT IS IT RECOGNIZES THERE’S ALSO A LACK OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. RETROFITTING BUILDING MEANS A HUGE AMOUNT OF JOBS FOR THE BUILDING TRADES IN THIS COUNTRY. I VIEW THAT AS A GOOD THING.>>Chris: WE ARE WAY OVER THE LIGHTNING ROUND. MEDICARE FOR ALL, YOU SAY IT SHOULD BE MEDICARE FOR ALL WHO WANTED. EXPLAIN.>>Pete: I DO BELIEVE A SINGLE-PAYER ENVIRONMENT IS PROBABLY THE RIGHT ANSWER IN THE LONG TERM BUT I THINK ANY POLITICIAN WHO THROWS AROUND PHRASES LIKE MEDICARE FOR ALL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO EXPLAIN HOW WE WOULD GET THERE. IN MY VIEW, WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IS YOU TAKE SOMETHING LIKE MEDICARE, YOU PUT IT ON THE EXCHANGES AS A KIND OF PUBLIC OPTION AND IF PEOPLE LIKE ME ARE RIGHT THAT THAT IS BOTH GOOD COVERAGE AND MORE COST EFFICIENT, THEN MORE AND MORE PEOPLE WILL BUY IN AND IT WILL BE A VERY NATURAL GLIDE PATH TOWARDS THE SINGLE-PAYER ENVIRONMENT.>>Chris: SO IS HARRIS WRONG WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT ILLUMINATING PRIVATE INSURANCE?>>Pete: I VIEW IT DIFFERENTLY. THINK ABOUT MEDICARE ITSELF, YOU STILL HAVE MEDICARE ADVANTAGE IMPLANTS AROUND THAT, EVEN COUNTRY WAS LIKE U.K. WITH NATIONALIZED MEDICINE STILL HAVE A ROLE FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR SO I THINK THERE WILL BE A ROLE FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR BUT A VERY DIFFERENT ONE THAT WE HAVE IN THE CORPORATE SYSTEM TODAY.>>Chris: THE SUPREME COURT, YOU TALK ABOUT POSSIBLY EXPANDING THE COURT FROM NINE JUSTICES TO 15.>>Pete: IS NOT JUST ABOUT THROWING MORE JUSTICES ON THE COURT. WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO DO IT SOME KIND OF STRUCTURAL REFORM THAT MAKES THE COURT LESS POLITICAL. WE CAN’T GO ON LIKE THIS FOR EVERY TIME THERE’S A VACANCY THERE’S THIS APOCALYPTIC IDEOLOGICAL BATTLE. SO THE IDEA — ONE IDEA THAT I THINK IS INTERESTING AS YOU HAVE 15 MEMBERS BUT ONLY TEN OF THEM ARE POINTED IN THE POLITICAL FASHION. FIVE OF THEM CAN ONLY BE SEATED BY UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT OF THE OTHER TEN. THERE ARE OTHER IDEAS THAT HAVE BEEN FLOATED TOO ABOUT TERM LIMITS OR ABOUT ROTATING JUSTICES UP FROM THE APPELLATE BENCH. I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE A NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT WHAT’S APPROPRIATE, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE CONSTITUTION, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WITH GOT TO MAKE SOME KIND OF STRUCTURAL FORM TO DEPOLITICIZE THE SUPREME COURT.>>Chris: AFTER DONALD TRUMP’S VICTORY IN 2016, YOU WROTE AN ESSAY IN WHICH YOU SAID — I THINK IT WAS CALLED SOMETHING FROM FLYOVER COUNTRY. YOU SAID DEMOCRATS HAVE LARGELY ENTER THEIR VERY MUCH LOCKS, THEIR COSTS HAVE IGNORED THE INDUSTRIAL MIDWEST. HOW WOULD YOU TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP? AND SPECIFICALLY HOW DO YOU BEAT HIM IN MICHIGAN AND OHIO AND WISCONSIN? THAT UPPER RUST BELT THAT HE TOOK AWAY FROM THE DEMOCRATS?>>Pete: COMING FROM A FORMER AUTO MANUFACTURING TOWN IN THE NORTHERN OF INDIANA, THIS IS MY HOME AND I UNDERSTAND WHY OUR PARTY LARGELY LOST TOUCH BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S JUST ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK IN MANY WAYS HE IS SYMPTOM RATHER THAN A CAUSE. WHERE I COME FROM, THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND I THINK ARE A LOT OF EUROS ON THIS NETWORK WERE UNDER NO ILLUSIONS ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF THE PRESIDENT BUT VOTED THIS WAY IN ORDER TO MAKE A STATEMENT. SOME PEOPLE THINK VOTED TO BURN THE HOUSE TONE BECAUSE THEY’VE SEEN HOW, FOR YEARS, DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLICAN PRESIDENCIES PRODUCED ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL AND POLITICAL RESULTS THAT LET THEM DOWN. WITH GOT TO BE SPEAKING TO –>>Chris: OKAY, THAT SEEMS A LITTLE GAUZY. SO HOW DO YOU SAY TO THE PEOPLE IN THOSE STATES THAT FEEL THAT THEY’VE BEEN LEFT BEHIND BY GLOBALISM, THINGS LIKE THAT, GLOBALIZATION. I’VE GOT A BETTER ANSWER THAN DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP TALKS ABOUT JOBS. HE TALKS ABOUT THE ON APPOINTMENT RATE IS AT A RECORD LOW, OF RESTORING MANUFACTURING JOBS.>>Pete: WE’VE BEEN RESTORING MANUFACTURING JOBS IN OUR COMMUNITY TOO BUT WE ARE REALISTIC ABOUT THE FACT THAT WITH AUTOMATION IT’S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THE OLD ECONOMY. THE PRESIDENT’S PROMISE IS TO TURN BACK THE CLOCK, THAT WE CAN SOMEHOW JUST GO BACK TO THE 1950s, AND IT’S JUST NOT TRUE. THE ECONOMY IS CHANGING, THE PACE OF CHANGE IS ACCELERATING AND WHAT WE’VE GOT TO DO IS MASTER THOSE CHANGES IN ORDER TO MAKE THEM WORK FOR US. IF THERE ARE SOME VERY SPECIFIC POLICY WAS TO DO THAT, EVERYTHING FROM MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS HEALTH CARE TO INCREASING THE MINIMUM WAGE, TO DELIVERING PORTABLE BENEFITS SO THAT WHEN YOU GET DISRUPTED FROM YOUR JOB IT’S NOT SUCH A DISRUPTION IN THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN AND MUST DO TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE CHANGE — AS THESE CHANGES COME, AND AGAIN, THEY WILL WITHOUT US, THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY SUCCEED, ESPECIALLY AN ECONOMICALLY VULNERABLE COMMUNITIES LIKE WHERE I COME FROM.>>Chris: LET’S TALK ABOUT YOUR RECORD BECAUSE YOU’VE BEEN THE MAYOR OF SOUTH BEND SINCE 2012. LET’S PUT IT UP ON THE SCREEN. MORE THAN $800 MILLION IN PRIVATE INVESTMENT, INCLUDING A RESURGENCE OF DOWNTOWN, MORE THAN 4,000 JOBS CREATED, MORE THAN A THOUSAND ABANDONED HOMES DEMOLISHED OR REPAIRED IN YOUR FIRST TERM BUT CRITICS POINT OUT THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE IN SOUTH BEND WENT UP TO LAST YEAR AND YOU HAD A CONTINUING PROBLEM WITH HOMELESSNESS AND I CHECKED IT OUT YESTERDAY, THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE OF SOUTH BEND IS HIGHER THAN THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR THE STATE OF INDIANA AS A WHOLE. SO PLUSES AND MINUSES, YES?>>Pete: IT IS TRUE THAT I HAVE NOT PERSONALLY RESOLVE THE PROBLEM OF VIOLENCE IN US, NOR THE PROBLEM OF HOMELESSNESS BUT IT WAS THAT WE ARE DOING MORE ON HOMELESSNESS AND I HAPPENED IN OUR COMMUNITY IN 30 YEARS AND I THINK THAT CHARACTERIZATION OF THE VIOLENT CRIME RATE ISN’T QUITE FAIR EITHER. WHEN I WAS A KID IT WAS NOT UNUSUAL TO HAVE MORE THAN 20 HOMICIDES IN SOUTH BEND. LAST YEAR WE HAD NINE. THAT IS HONESTLY TOO MANY.>>Chris: YOU LOOK AT YOUR TERM AS MAYOR COME INTO GHANA.>>Pete: IT WAS UP AND DOWN FROM YOUR TO YOUR WIFE YOU LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THE HOMICIDE RATE. I FEEL LIKE I’VE BEEN FIGHTING GUN VIOLENCE AND HOMICIDE IN OUR COMMUNITY WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND MY BACK BUT I AM PROUD ABOUT EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE AS A COMMUNITY TO COME TOGETHER — BY THE WAY, A LOW INCOME COMMUNITY. OUR PER CAPITA PERSONAL INCOME JUST WENT OVER $20,000 A YEAR. SO YEAH, WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH ECONOMIC GROWTH. WE HAVE CHALLENGES WITH HOMELESSNESS, BUT THE WAY OUR MUNICH, COMMUNITY HAS RISEN TO MEET THE CHALLENGES IS SOMETHING I’M VERY PROUD OF.>>Chris: WHY ARE YOU IN SUCH A HURRY? WHY NOT WAIT A FEW YEARS, GET SOME MORE EXPERIENCE, BUILD A BIGGER RECORD, GET BETTER KNOWN AND RUN FOR PRESIDENT SAY AT THE RIPE OLD AGE OF 41?>>Pete: IT’S NOT ABOUT BECOMING PRESIDENT.>>Chris: RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IS BECOME –>>Pete: IT’S ABOUT AMERICA AND WHAT AMERICA NEEDS. ALL THE DECISIONS I’VE MADE TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND ALL THE DECISIONS I’VE MADE TO NOT RUN FOR OFFICE OR ABOUT THE MOMENT, WHAT IS CALLED FOR AND WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE. I SEE THIS VERY UNUSUAL MOMENT. LOOK, IT’S UNUSUAL FOR IT TO EVEN BE POSSIBLE THAT A 37-YEAR-OLD MIDWESTERN MAYOR IS GIVING NATIONAL INTERVIEWS ABOUT A POSSIBLE CANDIDACY FOR PRESIDENT BUT THERE’S SOMETHING HAPPENING RIGHT NOW THAT CALLS FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE’VE BEEN SEEING. GENERATIONALLY DIFFERENT, REGIONALLY DIFFERENT, SOMETHING WITH A DIFFERENT LIFE STORY IN A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND AND TO THE SURPRISE OF MANY, INCLUDING MYSELF, THIS MOMENT COULD BE THE ONLY MOMENT. OVER THE LAST HUNDRED YEARS OR THE NEXT HUNDRED YEARS WHEN IT’S APPROPRIATE FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME TO BE IN THIS CONVERSATION, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, WITH THAT MOMENT SHAPING UP, I’M NOT GOING